Enatic and Agnatic clans allow us to get open succession law which is super strong as we know from muslims. Germanic pagans do especially well since they get free ships, can navigate rivers, and are close to prime raiding targets. Crusader Kings II. Children of Perun is weak. Some other day I read that this isn't a bug and it's working as intendent IMO Enatic is much, much better than Agnatic, because Agnatic prevents you from matri marrying, which means any chance to get a non-crafted bloodline is over, and because there are immensely more targets for matriarchal deposition than there is for the opposite. Bn is also unlocked by Jade Dragon, and Horse Lords allows playing of pagan nomadic rulers. Seabound is just useless without Daring and picking these two doctrines is silly (unless we are not getting bored with constant raiding on our foes). "Why would you want infidels to tolerate you? C. Civilized/Religious Tax: The best Doctrine you can possibly pick. Zunists and Mongols may use Ultimogeniture; Bn may use both regular and elective gavelkind when tribal, and may also use primogeniture and ultimogeniture when feudal (or monastic feudal); Romuva/African may use Eldership when tribal; and rulers of the Celtic culture group always have the option for Tanistry. actually that "pagan" religion in game is just the generic pagan religion that all pagans had before the "old gods" expansion. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. Such penalties usually function to prevent any rival faith from taking their lands in spite of being relatively weak and of a rival faith that normally could be easily holy warred. Cairo is distant and usually controlled by major Muslim powers. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, levy & garrison bonus from Unyielding nature or offensive bonus of Unrelenting doctrine in first doctrine slot, it is lost. Civilised is closer to tier 3 than tier 1, if we pick this doctrine as Roman Emperor we will never use its full potential as we are locked in Imperial Elective succession. The unique traits of Autonomous are not that great, and GHWs are a must against large realms like the Ere. To debate theology, go elsewhere. However, the Sons of Abraham demon child event chain will create Zunist "witches", who can be married matrilineally or assigned as guardians to children with the Faith or Heritage focus. I usually take unyielding but in the future I think I'll go with Proselytizing. So I decided to update my list after I played some Holy Fury. Holy Fury Pagan Reformation Tier List & Discussion. They also gain access to Great Holy Wars if the Catholics have unlocked Crusades or the Muslims have unlocked Jihads. The strongest position for the faith is at the 867 bookmark, where the Tibetan Empire has fractured and Bn kings of Guge & -Tsang hold large areas of the Tibetan plateau under their control. Raiding culture allows the use of armies to raid while fabricating claims, and still get piety for remaining at peace. I've gained several kingdoms w/o trying to; I was just trying to get their bloodlines in my main line. 100% objectively correct scientific analysis of the civilized/barbaric nature of every religion and heresy's gameplay features in CK2. BTW, excommunications make king viceroys actually viable and not a PITA: you can excommunicate, arrest and execute a king viceroy whenever you like it, and appoint a new one. All units gain 80% to defense when fighting enemies in a province of the combatant's religion. Ancestor worship, animism and totemistic shamanism dominate, but there are also various pantheons of gods. However, the longer the faith goes unreformed, the weaker it becomes. Rulers do not receive opinion penalties for raised vassal levies. First off I didn't do any exploits. Im happy to discuss my rankings or analysis with you guys. Reformer becomes the first religious head. Rulers who are neither at war, nor raiding, nor bound by an active truce lose a significant amount of prestige per month. Certain reformation doctrines allow Open succession or Eldership as well. Holy wars and great holy wars are unavailable, but County Conquest CB is available. Reformed religions gain access to holy wars, usable on any target of a different faith (including other pagans). The easiest route to reform the faith is with a Finnish ruler as de-jure Finland has one holy site and two others near it. No Revolt Risk for different religion in county. Pont Valentr Press J to jump to the feed. I think these are well balanced. Generic Pagan rulers cannot be created with Ruler Designer but there are few events in game which spawn Pagan courtiers to game, which permit granting of titles or education of children. These doctrines are tied to the reformer's religion. No male in the council. Its full potential is available when we are huge feudal empire and rely more on our vassal levies. I mean making the enemy duke your vassal king through external inheritance? Sky Burials. If you want internal stability, pick Hierocratic and enjoy your excommunications. All defensive pagans have access to Ancestor Worship & Choose Patron deity decision. The default succession law for tribal unreformed pagans is elective gavelkind. your character tries to convert them personally, like carousing or something). I've had games where several centuries have gone by and literally only one or two guys have been made Venerated Ancestors and they're usually some random idiot. Great Holy War against a single disfigured child. Crusader Kings 2 ; Best Pagan mods for CK2 Best Pagan mods for CK2. All holders of holdings do not have to be Muslim for this tax to apply the top ruler being it is enghout. I enjoy and make videos of strategy games, RPGs, and more usually in the form of crazy challenge runs, character roleplaying, or other ways to spice things up. These three are weird. Absolute cognatic succession is enforced. Also without Proselytizing my own vassals never bothered to spread their own religion. Cosmopolitan: I used it once, its fun, allows us to snatch some alliances with infidel neighbours, or non-aggro pacts with infidel vassals. For tribal pagans, reforming makes it easier to raise tribal organization. There's a mod that fixes this. Others have concvinced me that Hellenic is the best overall. Only disadvantage is that AI rulers will never convert counties but you can do that yourself). Also Temporal gives u cool(gives tons of piety and prestige per month) lvl 4 artifact . I disagree here. This allows other pagans (especially Tengri and Germanic pagans) to fairly easily invade other pagans with conquest and subjugation casus belli. Two mutually exclusive bloodlines can be created by this process. Unlocks Raiding if unavailable (e.g. Totally fine for religions without 30% levy bonus, but if you want to expand then other natures are . I always found piety to be very uselful here, excommunication is a very powerful tool if you use it strategically. What options do you think is best for each, norse, slavic, tengri, etc? Temporal gives us nice hat upon reformation, and is part of synergy dogmatic, divine marriage which does not work atm. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Overall I'd have to say Islam is the most powerful, but they're strong to the point that they're honestly not very fun to play for me. Sacrificing prisoners unlocks special traits, actions, and a bloodline that grants Prestige for sacrifices as well. Hi, before Holy Fury release I posted my tier list for pagan doctrines, https://www.reddit.com/r/CrusaderKings/comments/9sfvtr/my_holy_fury_reformation_doctrine_tier_list/. The last playable Slavic ruler is Chief Testislaw of Dyrmin. Levy size & attack bonus from unreformed Tengri faith will be lost. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Synergies, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/holy-fury-reformation-doctrine-list.1115209/. Tax on subjects of different religious group is allowed. Sacrifice action (unless Peaceful). Hellenic). Because raiding counts as war, and they have county conquest casus belli that require no reason for war, however, few rulers need find themselves short on wars for long. Enatic-cognatic law is available. Meritocracy seems like the best non unique doctrine to me. Concubines not allowed. Pagans tend to be powerful in early years but weaken as time passes for several reasons: There is hope, however: should the Pagan faiths become reformed, the faith's survival is almost set in stone. I like equality. It is important to quickly convert vassals who still follow the old faith due to the large opinion penalty. Holy sites: Djimi, Draa, Gao, Kano and Wagadu. It may not display this or other websites correctly. For example, players who seek to reduce internal conflicts in their country, but still want to expand their boundaries, could use the following culture/religion/doctrine combination: Altaic culture, Tengri, Peaceful, Stability, Equality, Autonomous. The love of battle among these pagans means that rulers incur no relation penalty with their vassals for having troops raised. AI rulers are less likely to start wars, plots and factions. 867 enatic bloodline,African religion for consorts, cosmopolitan for husbands, syncretic to remove penalties, divine marriage so you can seduce and cosort acquire bloodlines, autonomous for a floating Dynasty opinion, fertility, or another +10 religion modifier. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. on Paradox technology, Legal Playing from this start is more difficult, as Kiev is bordered to the south by the Tengri Khaganate of Magyars. The Short Reign relations modifier is three times more severe for pagans. Reforming the religion removes these restrictions, allowing tribal rulers to use gavelkind and allowing feudal rulers to use primogeniture. Disallow avuncular marriage and cousin marriage. I admit I have not played Hellenic yet but it sounds awesome to me. Rulers can choose to gain sympathy with another faith by decisions. Nature: Unyielding sounds good on paper, but if you plan on having a large realm I'm not sure it's great because it takes a long time for counties to change to your religion. In particular, if Paderborn is held by a Germanic ruler and a Christian ruler occupies its temple of Irminsul (which normally occurs in the Charlemagne DLC's scripted invasion of Saxony by Karl of West Francia), all Catholic and Germanic rulers will receive a pop-up that the Catholics have burned the holy site of Irminsul, causing the Germanic faith to lose 10% moral authority for 10 years. Our domain can only grow overtime and we can develop our provinces without fear of it being lost to gavelkind. Table View Card View https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Igw2ec-Lp6c, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZVIEA1cbSo, UNITED STATES - The Cathar United States of Byzantium and Carpathia, https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/regional-livonian-mod.849150/. it isnt meant to be celtic pagan or any pagan religion in particular. Romuva is the faith of the peoples on the east coast of the Baltic Sea, worshiping such deities as Dievas, Perkunas, and Laima. Once your account is created, you'll be logged-in to this account. Full status of woman law is enforced. Because of this, it is usually strategically advisable to hold off on reforming your religion until your realm is at a multiple-kingdom level, and to make sure to exploit any subjugation or county conquest CBs against nearby easy target pagans before reforming your religion. Toggle signature. Pagan territories are usually significantly technologically behind all other cultures' territories, with the exception of Germanics having a tremendous lead in shipbuilding at the start of 867, as well as receiving said bonus after some time at the 769 start. Reformer picks two doctrines. AI rulers only convert same-group provinces and only when zealous. Agnatic, agnatic-cognatic, cognatic laws are restricted. You can join the Hermetics (without unpausing) via temporary conversion to an appropriate religion (eg. I used autonomous most often which gives some flat bonuses. They start as feudal, are unable to raid, have lesser chance to convert county religion, do not suffer from increased short reign penalties and may use ultimogeniture succession law instead of gavelkind. When I started writing this tier list I wanted to put all natures in one tier, but realised I have never really used dogmatic and proselytizing because they feel lackluster to me. Enatic clans is still good because vassal duchies wont merge every generation but they're infinitely worse than agnatic clans. You want to play Sunni, because you can either get free learning or piety for even faster conquests. Holy sites: Nishapur, Bost, Cairo, Kabul, and Multan. Similar story with Ancestor Veneration, but with more hassle of sucking up to the old dudes, the one disadvantage of Ancestor Veneration is that we must pick either Hierocratic or Autocephalous leadership (I think). This faith is exceptionally limited - it has all the disadvantages of unreformed paganism and none of the benefits, nor can it be reformed. With it, You can just forget about any problems during succession. If there is levy size & attack bonus from unreformed religion, it is lost. Women can take up to 3 consorts. Generic Tengri paganism allows for more levies. Women can take up to 3 consorts. You hardly get Short year penalty with Imperial succession. They also have access to two special casus belli: Most pagans have defensive attrition, massively reducing the supply limit for non-pagans invading their homeland. And the Indian religions. The only realm following this faith is the Zunbil Satrapy in western Afghanistan. If we pick it as germanic, tengri or aztec we will lose any troop bonus that we couldve inherited from unreformed religion. if you raid a lot + capture bonus from society + capture bonus from the military trait. CK2 Cheats CK2 Province IDs CK2 Event IDs Other CK2 IDs and Codes CK2 Blog Type the name of a title, or a title ID, into the search box below to instantly search our database of title IDs. When you reform a pagan religion, and get high enough moral authority, other pagan empires might ask your help in converting them to your . The other pagan faiths have a duke-level religious leader who becomes a vassal of the reforming ruler, similar to the Orthodox religion's patriarch. Eldership succession law is allowed. Late to the party but I like this one; for the purpose of acquiring bloodlines. What, in your opinion, is the best handgun? Proselytizing is a must pick if you have a lot of land with conversion resistant heathens, since AI rarely bothers converting them otherwise. Most pagans may raid neighboring provinces (and coastal provinces, if ships are available) for loot and prestige, even without a tribal government (which majority of the pagans are). I like Buddhism because the combination of concubinage and heir-nomination means you can end up with an unbroken line of Strong Genius rulers if you play the genetics game well, but unfortunately they're lousy at expansion. Community Patch with Improved Genetics 2.0 and Other Mods, Pagan Ancestor and Sea King Bloodline Changes, https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Bloodline#Ancestor_Veneration_Bloodlines. While its holy sites are in locations which are easily taken, most of them lack a temple holding which means holy sites only give half of the usual Moral Authority, forcing Tengri rulers to either build temples or take control of all holy sites. For the reference https://ck2.paradoxwikis.com/Pagans#Reformation, Nature: Two tiers here. B. Doctrine 1: Polygamy: To make best use of Imperial Succession, having loads of wives is good as you can pick the best heir one of them pops out. Knowing that Civilized is the best "peaceful" doctrine, pair that with stability, temporal so you decide your own holy wars and get a permanent artifact and set it to proselytize so that every follower of your religious works to eliminate religious bordergore. For example, the average/casual player is probably not going be aggressively bloodline stacking. Basically we attack opposite gender ruler, depose him/her and force our gender law on their realm. Other pagan faiths have different modifiers. 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