More than 40 Grenadier Guards joined HMS Forth for their first The AA ship HMS Tynwald (Capt.(Retd.) Following Royal document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); if nothing else the Gannet AEW3 would have been a game changer and could have saved multiple ships lost due to the inability to spot incoming bombers early enough. Our new Carriers and their air groups will certainly swing the proverbial big stick of foreign policy, to make people think twice! blakes 6 inch gun used in ngs role would have been invaluable, plus she had an armoured hull. Miller, DSC, RNR) and HMS Jonquil (Lt.Cdr. I heard that the the yanks were impressed by the Bucks at Red Flag. L.S. Ocean Wanderer, All three ships would be hit, 39 sailors died, and only one of the three ships would return home. Cant recall anyone at the time suggesting it should have remained in-service: surely the RN had its hands full in trying to ensure a speedy delivery of the Invincible class? It wasnt the capability which failed to deter it was the will to use it. Of course, the small Gannet force would also have been terribly fragile. Finally, During its last tour of duty, the aircraft complement of the. I do think that optically whether the Ark was a basket case or not, the Argentines may have thought twice about invading if we had the capacity to send thee carriers down there, one of them with fast jets like the Phantom. Empire Mordred (British, 7024 GRT, built 1942), The island surrendered shortly before noon without further fighting. C.R. Better news for RN carrier aviation too. C.R. Wilkinson, RN) and the corvette HMS Samphire (with her repairs completed) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS A1. Retaining HMS Ark Royal,anAudaciousclass aircraft carrier,would have been beneficial in the Falklands War and perhaps even prevented it. G.C.P. I read that Bulwark was actually examined during the war to investigate if it could be brought quickly back into service and rushed south but its material state was too far gone by that time. 04 April 2022 Of course, the loss of the Falklands led to the fall of the junta anyway, so it was really Britains liberation of the islands that paved the way for democracy to return to Argentina. LCU F4 was one of four landing craft assigned to HMS Fearless with 4 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, designed to land commandos and their kit ashore which they did from the moment the campaign to re-take the Falklands began with the landings at San Carlos on May 21. Brewer, RN), corvettes HMS Convolvulus (A/Lt.Cdr. M.D.C. Meyrick, RN) also departed to join the convoy. Ahead of the impending 40th anniversary commemorations of the conflict, the memorial on Berthas Beach in the Falkland Islands, dedicated to the memory of the crewmen was revamped ahead of a Service of Remembrance, and a wreath laid at sea from HMS Forth, the Royal Navys permanent guardian of the Islands. Modern day list of ships supposedly lost by the British in the Falklands War, still showing Invincible and Hermes as considered or possibly sunk or damaged the old myths die hard: Here a more recent Argentine photograph from the press shows an impressive attack against HMS Penelope with the caption A greeting to your Queen: P.G. Lochmonar (British, 9412 GRT, built 1924), Hutton, DSO, RN), HMS Lookout (Lt.Cdr. R.F.R. Otranto (British, 20026 GRT, built 1925), J.D.L. Gannets were located and in process ofRead more , This is a narrow and silly proposition. They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Palomeres, destroyer ORP Blyskawica, escort destroyers HMS Lamerton, HMS Wheatland, HMS Wilton, minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore, MS trawlers HMS Hoy, HMS Incholm, HMS Mull and the motor launches HMS ML 238, HMS ML 307 and HMS ML 444. Grace, DSC, RD, RNR), gunboat HMS Aphis ( Lt.Cdr. Mary Slessor (British, 5027 GRT, built 1930), First up, a navy with Ark Royal would be an utterly different navy. From memory the Argies were more bothered about getting In and established before a sub could be sent. The equivelent of jumping up and down and shouting look at me. After having been relieved these destroyers arrived at Gibraltar around 0545A/6. Marnix van St. Aldegonde, By 1982, the youngest airframes would have been nearly two decades old. Exceller, Group V; Alcinous, Alphard, Charles H. Cramp, Chatanooga City, Delilian, Recorder and Zebulon B. Vance. HMS Hermes, was converted to a helicopter carrier, and then to a vertical take-off and landing aircraft carrier suitable for the Harrier jump jets which were invaluable to military efforts during the Falklands War. Nichols, USN), USS Leedstown (Cdr. Even even the phantoms and buccaneers could take off, landing was a whole new ball game. Ocean Volga, As despatch vessels, carrying mail between the Task Force and Ascension Island. Continuando la navigazione tu sia d'accordo, ma puoi disattivarlo se lo desideri. Nuclear submarines lurking off the Argentine coast could provide a 45 minute alert of an incoming raid. The force for ' B Sector ' was made up of HMS Bulolo, HMS Keren and the Awatea, Cathay, Otranto, Sobieski, Strathnaver and Winchester Castle. theres no way big lizzie and fat taff will give 50 years service. You are right will, I referenced Nott as he was removed in 1981 (Start of the cuts). When off Cape Bon on 9 November, they were taken under fire by Vichy French coastal batteries, despite the darkness, and then captured by motor torpedo boats. If Ark Royal went with either Hermes or Invincible, the air group would be bigger and more capable: Ark royal typically carried 26ish buccs and phantoms. Group IX; LST's HMS Misoa (T/Lt. The weather. Shaw, RNR) and HMS Felixstowe (T/Lt. Glenfinlas, The Gannett would have been a useful addition, but its usefulness with Argentine low level raiders over the Islands would have been limited by its radars limitations with ground clutter. A.P. Our ability to overcome adverse conditions means were often the first to respond when disaster strikes. From convoy KMS A1 the following ships were assigned to ' A Sector '; City of Worcester, Ennerdale, Glenfinlas, Jean Jadot, Lochmonar, Ocean Rider, Ocean Volga, Sobo, Stanhill, Tiba and Urlana. R. Patterson, SANF(V)), HMS Albacore (Lt.Cdr. The F-4 was undoubtedly a more capable naval interceptor than the Sea Harrier. CATOBAR aircraft like the Phantom can only operate if the deck is pitching a few degrees. These ships were considered expendable. S.C. Dickinson, RNVR), HMS Stroma (Skr. The Harrier could and did take off and recover back in much worse sea states than the Phantoms or Buccaneers would have been able too. Slater, RNR) and the motor launches ML 280, ML 458, ML 463, ML 469, ML 471, ML 480, ML 483 and HDML 1127, HDML 1128 and HDML 1139 departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS O1. It was temperamental in cold weather. Williams, RNR) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS A1. With only three or four Gannets, a single accident or maintenence crisis would have had an outsized effect the Gannet force's operations. Macharda (British, 7998 GRT, built 1938), It had already had a reprieve and its time in-service date put forward. HMS Rhyl Two ships of the Royal Navy have been named HMS Rhyl, after the town of Rhyl in Wales: HMS Rhyl (J36) was a Bangor -class minesweeper launched in 1940 and sold in 1948. The need was the Gannet AEW. Reina del Pacifico, WebOriginal Royal Navy Photograph. At 2214A/7, the made contact with their beacon submarine HMS P 221 (Lt. M.F.R. J.W. Topic: PeopleRemembrance Cooper, RNVR). Temple, DSC, RN). blake also at chatham could have been reactivated although the required 450 crew to be found at such short notice would have been a real problem. Bombandment of that island commenced at 2245/11 and continued throughout the 12th. Llangibby Castle (British, 11951 GRT, built 1929), From convoy KMS A1 the transports Macharda and Maron were destined for Charlie sector. Richardson, DSO, DSC, RN) joined the convoy coming from the Azores. Following Royal Graham, RNR) and HMS Tasajera (Lt.Cdr. S.W.F. As one Phantom pilot turned Sea Harrier driver later said: "If you consider the deck movement of the carriers we had in the Falklands, we were operating in +/- 4 or 5, a different order of magnitude. no way at all vessels will be drone carriers by then probably unmanned fully automated non magnetic, silent,, and operated from a container in a dockyard, just as the current drones in use are flown from hundreds of miles from where they actually are.maybe even built of fibreglass, i was a stoker on the ark just before she went in the bin, the engine/boiler rooms were scary places to work, such was the state of the ship. Would things have been better with Ark Royal and her Gannets? The turn had prevented the missile from striking the ship's side perpendicularly and penetrating; instead, it hit the deck The blast travelled forwards and down, and the missile body, still travelling forwards, penetrated the hangar door, causing the ship's fully fuelled and armed On the following day, repairs were made at sea and, after the Argentinian surrender on 14 June, more extensive repairs were undertaken in the sheltered bay of A Memorial was erected in 2011 in memory of the ship and the lost crew at Hookers Point outside Stanley.Her last active deployment for the Royal Navy was in 1983/4 and she was sent on the Armilla Patrol with MoD release detailing date and position of sinking, 25 July 2008 This was a Rothesay class anti-submarine frigate built at Portsmouth and completed in 1960. 1982-apr-22: recommissioned from disposal list: 1983-may: Deployment: On station off Falklands: 1983-jul: Aircraft: 829 Sq Wasp HAS.1 XT786 assigned as /441-FM by Jul 1983 to 7 Nov 1984: 1984-mar: Deployment: departed HMNB Portsmouth for 5 month Far East deployment, I wonder if we will ever learn? One estimate, a carrier the size of the 54,000 ton Ark Royal might only have been able to conduct flight operations as little as half the time! The real bit of what if history (if you like a we bit of fantasy) would be what would have happened if we had not cancelled the new carrier. As British aviation historian Rowland White has argued: "In the end it was, as it so often is, more a numbers game than anything. From Sfax, ' Convoy A ' sailed for the landings on Pantelleria. However, another interesting fact was that breaking up of Ark Royal took until 1983. A.C. Whitcombe, RNR), HMS Mull (Lt. J. Plomer, RCNVR), HMS Rysa (T/Lt. T.B. N. Hunt, RNVR), HMS Eday (T/Lt. R.M.J. They could get offloaded to a land based airstrip and would be useful in giving extra air support to the troops but that might be too risky as all the jets, fuel and munitions would be exposed. G.P. Fort McLoughlin (British, 7129 GRT, built 1942), It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS, Social Media and Comment Moderation Policy, The importance of the Glasgow area to the Royal Navy. If Ark Royal was still in commission it's arguable if the Argentinians would not have invaded considering it's capabilities. At 0535A/8 the tug St. Day joined which also passed a tow. Oliver is a student at the University of East Anglia studying for a PhD in International Security. I think you will find that the ship you saw in Chatham Dockyard was in fact the Maintenance Ship HMS Triumph ( Ex Aircraft Carrier ). I could be wrong, but I thought John Nott was Minister for Defence at the time. Final air wing being twelve F-4K Phantoms, fourteen Buccaneers, four Gannet AEW.3, a Gannet COD and eight helicopters for ASW and SAR. HMS Glamorgan was a County-class destroyer of the Royal Navy with a displacement of 5,440 tonnes. ' They were escorted by the M/S trawlers HMS Fluellen (T/Lt. City of Worcester, C.W. G.H. Sobo, Edward Rutledge, If he had scrapped Ark Royal and kept Eagle, we would probably still have had a carrier for the job. But in the Royal Marines and Royal Navys Amphibious Warfare community, the loss of the 30-metre-long craft, with four Marines and two Sailors, resonates to this day. Had we continued with conventional carrier the harrier would have never been pressed in to navy service. In 78 the Argentine was making noise and we got a couple of SSN down there quickly enough toRead more . Sobo (British, 5353 GRT, built 1937), M.M. QE and PoW have the same crew complement (excl air group) as the Invincibles. Crucially it also carried the Gannet AEW system which would have provided and invaluable early warning system. W.G. Alcinous (Dutch, 6189 GRT, built 1925), 2nd division; Edward Rutledge, William Floyd and William Wirt. AR's Phantoms were certainly not equal to the dozens of Tomcats and Hornets the US carriers were cutting about with at the time but they were still solid aircraft, probably easily superior to the Argentine Daggers, Mirages and Skyhawks though numbers would be an issue, albeit one massively offset by each F-4 carrying 4 Skyflash SARH missiles plus 4 Sidewinders compared to the mere 2 Sidewinders of the Sea Harriers. could have made a difference in the Falklands War and perhaps even have prevented it. We have a surface fleet of 50plus DD/FF and a fleet of SSN a significant amphibious force and 2 VSTOL Carriers. For ' Y ' beach Of course, the capability of ship aside, the very fact of their existence in your Armoury, has a deterrent value all of its own. W.R.K. Letitia, KMS O1 then proceeded to the westwards so as to pass the Straits of Gibraltar later. Strathnaver, Landman, RN), sloops HMS Aberdeen (Lt.Cdr. Ark Royal could have stayed further away in calmer seas, but this puts more presure on an already limited airwing. V/STOL carriers can keep operating in worse sea states than conventional carriers my understanding is Ark wouldnt have been able to recover her aircraft for much of the war, making her useless. 14 Buccaneer S2s, 12 Phantom FG1s, 4 Gannet AEW3, 1 Gannet COD4, 7 Sea king, and 2 Wessex helicopters. With them were also transports from convoy KMS A1. There weren't enough Gannets to cover every possible approach to the amphibious force in San Carlos Water or the carriers NE of the islands. Aircraft. Group VIII, LST HMS Bachaquero (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Pozarica, escort destroyers HMS Bicester, HMS Bramham, frigate HMS Rother, minesweeper HMS Cadmus, MS trawlers HMS Juliet, HMS Rysa, HMS Stroma and the motor launches HMS ML 283, HMS ML 336 and HMS ML 338. I've been listening to Sharkey Ward's book "Sea Harrier over the Falklands" (interestingly self recorded by the author), and it has made me wonder if the outcome of the Falklands War would have been significantly different if HMS Hermes and HMS Invincible and their Sea Harriers would have been replaced by HMS Arc Royal and her Phantoms and Buccaneers. Chattanooga City (American, 5687 GRT, built 1921), I dont believe the Argentines would have taken the islands if Hermes and the Ark had been retained as fast jet carriers. Recovery was via emergency straps found storage. Our presence is key to achieving this. William M. Floyd (American, 7176 GRT, built 1942), McNair, MBE, RNVR), HMS Inchcolm (Skr. The indication to the Argentineans was that we no longer wanted/had the will to defend the islands. Please leave a comment below if you have something to say! The picket warships would only have 15-20 minutes warning (and due to technical glitches and human errors, sometimes no warning at all). Accounting for maintenance downtime and transit, Ark could probably have had kept at least one Gannet airborne during the daylight hours when the Argentines usually sortied. A.E.T. Sobieski (British, 11030 GRT, built 1939), Tiba and R.E. Buccaneers would almost certainly have followed and would likely have sunk the carrier and her A-4Q Skyhawks, wiping out nearly 15% of the entire Argentine Skyhawk force in a single blow. Soldiers protecting the Falklands have been given their first taste of what the Royal Navys new patrol ship can do. More than 40 Grenadier Guards joined HMS Forth for their first exercise demonstrating the improvements she brings to the islands defences over her predecessor. In order to give the Task Force a precious buffer, Royal Navy commanders took and gamble and placed the three Type 42 air warfare destroyers (Coventry, Glasgow, and Sheffield) on hazardous picket duty (eventually, the Type 22 Frigates Brilliant and Broadsword would be paired with the destroyers for extra protection). Lycaon (British, 7350 GRT, built 1913), Buccaneers flew low over Belize City to reassure residents. Ark Royal was .unreliable despite being not particularly old so the danger of system.failure would be high. The Phantom for starters would have been providing a long distance outer screen CAP supported by the Gannets. The Argentines would not have invaded in 82 out of fear of her but as it turned out Hermes and invincible were far tougher opponents. Purse, DSC, RN), HMS Wheatland (Lt.Cdr. A question remains, could she have been brought back to service on time? Grubbie. L.J.S. It was made up of the USS Almaack, USS Leedstown, USS Samuel Chase, Exceller and Dempo. Scott, RN) departed Gibraltar to join the convoy. Now add in the Phantom's ability to go supersonic and the additional range of the SkyFlash. Indeed. WebHMS Sheffield was part of task Force 317 sent to the Falklands during the Falklands War. H. Kirkwood, DSC, RN), HMS Farndale (Cdr. Obviously, Galtieri and his gang launched the invasion to distract attention from their domestic problems, and as I said before, in the expectation that Britain lacked the will to do anything militarily, irrespective of what forcesRead more . All forces sailed on 10 June to be off Pantellaria on 11 June 1944. A.C. Whitcombe, RNR), HMS Mull (T/Lt. A final bombardment was then carried out and also aircraft from North African air bases carried out attacks. Menzies, RN), HMS Penelope (Capt. Also the issue if space remains, and all of the conveyors harriers where already disembarked. Learn about the different types of accommodation available through the Royal Navy and find an option that meets your needs. If it necessary to create a 2 tier fleet of escortsRead more . Fraser, RNR) and the motor launches HMS ML 280, HMS HDML 1127. 2,744 t, used as casualty ferries (hospital ships). Bennehoff, USN) were also part of the convoy. Orbita (British, 15495 GRT, built 1915), J.D. J.H. Urlana. Could keeping HMS Ark Royal have prevented the Falklands War? Also, can whomever writes these articles stop referring to RN ships as the HMS Ark Royal? Finally, the scrapping of HMS Ark Royal took place in 1980, and this marked an end to the Royal Navys ability to project conventional fixed-wing air-power. Back: "Berwick" 7-79. Kingscote, RNR) and the attack transports USS Almaack (T/Capt. Also arriving at Gibraltar were the Leinster, HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and Ulster Monarch. They were manned by Royal Naval personnel, mainly from 1st MCM Squadron based at Rosyth. However one realty remained that governed everything. McGregor, RN), landing ships HMS Princess Beatrix (Cdr.(Retd.) Stanhill, KMF A1 was destined for Algiers and KMF O1 was destined for Oran. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War As Harry said, had history been different and the Ark survived into the 1980s, then (assuming it was available) it wouldnt have been as effective as the combined effect of Hermes and Invincible. How bad was the Spanish Army during the Peninsular War? Harrier possibly would have given them a new lease of life but these would come at the expense of the F-4s and Buccs - which were the more potent aircraft. Clan MacTaggart (British, 7622 GRT, built 1920), W.R.K. Leadership is an essential requirement at all levels throughout the Royal Navy. J.B.G. Bethell, RN), and 21 LCI(L)'s, 4 LCF's and 2 ML's. Perhaps the argument would have been better put that the withdrawal from East of Suez leading to the cancellation CV-A01, was erroneous, as that in itself set in-train the intentional run down of conventional navel aviation? They were escorted by the sloop HMS Deptford, cutters HMS Hartland, HMS Walney, corvettes HMS Rhododendron, HMS Violet and the motor launches HMS ML 480 and HMS ML 483. As one operator recalled: "While close to the coast with a rough sea, and perhaps with electronic countermeasures jammers in use, it could be hard work to keep a workable picture.". The Buccs are Buccs. I think its doubtful the task force would have attempted to retake the islands if they only had a very old and unreliable carrier to send. The last two would have seriously altered the shore bombardment profile if they where available. Harry, I partially agree with you here, however, youve negated the fact of what Ark Royal could bring to the party. Same problems with the QE2 class other than the fact that they are brand new. Sherwood, RNR). However, sadly the aircraft carriers which replaced her were not able to be equipped with traditional aircraft. Navy X gets new technology off the drawing board and into the hands of our people on operations at a pace that has not been possible before. Not only the AEW Gannet would have make a diference, the Ark Royal Radar itsel was far more capable for detecting at long range that any other ship at the Falkands. There has been a lot of bagging of the invincible class, and the harriers, by many, and lamenting about the glory days of the big carriers is an easy thing to do. Christie, OBE, RN), HMS Ibis (Lt.Cdr. Zebulon B. Vance. HMS Plymouth was a Royal Navy Rothesay -class frigate. Lalande (British, 7453 GRT, built 1920), However, sadly the aircraft carriers which replaced her were not able to be equipped with traditional aircraft. Ninja Arashi Mod Apk, This is seen in the case of the Centaur class aircraft carrier HMS, which did see successful action in the Falklands, and it could arguably be the case, that its very survival along with the HMS, was the reason the War in the Falklands was victorious for the British. conquerors sister courageous was in the southern hemisphere at the outbreak, it never actually joined the task force. Andrew, RN), HMS Clacton (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) Partington, RD, RNR) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMF A1. Would have been interesting! The new contract amendment will oversee the conversion of Aster 30 missiles to the Aster 30 B1 Naval UK standard, as well as the development of autopilot software and logistics updates. July, 1979. 1982-may. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------. Take the helos off and you might get a few more Phantoms on and as the air threat is going to be the issue here and the Phantoms can also do ground attack, the Buccs may well lose a couple to get the fighter number up. Plus if we look after them theyll almost certainly last 50 years. Fine condition! Derbyshire (British, 11660 GRT, built 1935), On assembly the convoy was escorted by the escort carrier HMS Avenger (Cdr. The Royal Navy is a highly skilled multi-disciplinary team and together we protect the nation's interest. Group VII, 1st division, Empire Mordred, Havildar, Pacific Exporter and St. Essylt. It was made up of the following transports; Chase Closed My Account When Will I Get My Money, Clarke, RN, flying the flag of Rear-Admiral C.H.J. J.S. Boys-Smith, DSO and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Swale (Lt.Cdr. Manchester Port, D.S. HMS Falkland (1696) was a 54-gun fourth-rate ship of the line, purchased in 1696. Around 0800A/3, the destroyer HMS Marne (Lt.Cdr. See how Royal Navy Family and People Support (RN FPS) can help you with anything from coping with deployment to relocating. Good points. McGrath, RN), HMS Karanja (Lt.Cdr.(Emgy.) Access dedicated veterans charities and get all the support you need, from help with any mental health issues to financial advice. Nieuw Zeeland, Dont knowRead more . Safeguarding the essential trade routes that Britain depends on for 95% of its economic activity. HMS Forth made the short voyage from her base in the islands to the spot where Foxtrot 4 was attacked late on June 8 1982 near the mouth of Choiseul Sound about four miles southeast of Berthas Beach on East Falkland. Recorder, This ship was invaluable during the Falklands conflict and should not be forgotten in its role as a key capital ship. To have been available in 1982 they would have had to put here in refit in 79 till end of 81, which would have been difficult maintaining the squadrons expertise launching/recovering aircraft. Duchess of Bedford (British, 20123 GRT, built 1928), Unless this about lessons we shouldnt forget this is just another counter factual. Clark, DSC, RD RNR) and HMS Ulster Monarch (Lt.Cdr. Argentinas junta were making threats against the Falklandsagain trying to draw attention away from domestic problems. Viceroy of India (British, 19627 GRT, built 1929), We empower all our people, by respecting and valuing what makes them different. Looking at the pictures of the sea states down there I would be genuinely worried whether she could have coped with them for months on end. Buccaneers would also allow the potential for a strike on the Argentinian mainline, although very unlikely. Cathay (British, 15225 GRT, built 1925), This was a state of the art missile at the time, but the aircrafts systems could only engage one target at a time. i doubt she would have even got to the falklands. Delinlian, Monarch of Bermuda, Our days of being able to project influence through our military are over. This is also an area for any with an interest in all things HMS RHYL. HMS Antrim, providing air defence for the troopship Canberra, had been struck by two Argentinian bombs which failed to explode. The convoy was escorted by the sloop HMS Stork, corvettes HMS Convolvulus, HMS Marigold, HMS Pentstemon, HMS Samphire [this corvette might have already parted company though, see below] and the minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore and HMS Cadmus. So nothing really changes then, with wholesale disposal of assets only to discover they are needed just a few years later. C.R. She was the fifth ship to proudly bear the name of the city and her loss sent shockwaves through Two ships from Convoy KMS 1, the Ardeola and Tadorna formed part of Convoy KMS 1A after the convoy had split up. Invincibles deck ws too short and dangerously narrow. The surrender of Linosa Island was accepted by HMS Nubian. Keeping her was not a choice that could have been made, just a matter of how long the last of her spare parts (most recycled from Eagle) would keep working. The headquarters ship HMS Bulolo and the landing ships HMS Karanja, HMS Keren, HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and Ulster Monarch and the attack transports USS Samuel It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS Ark Royal, to have scrapped her unnecessarily. Currently serving in the Royal Navy? They were escorted by the AA ship HMS Tynwald, escort destroyers HMS Cowdray, HMS Zetland, sloop HMS Enchantress, minesweepers HMS Algerine, HMS Hussar, HMS Speedwell, corvettes HMS Pentstemon, HMS Samphire, MS trawlers HMS Cava, HMS Othello and the motor launches HMS ML 273 and HMS ML 295. 78 the Argentine was making noise and we got a couple of SSN significant. 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